Depression and weight gain move in. See if that helps. Removing cypionate is not going to help with fertility. Either way, I prefer to test - I’m a mediocre scientist at best. I wouldn't have blamed her if she had looked for some strange on the side the way I was performing. Recommended Posts. Muscles seem so much more aware of stiffness. Please explain how it works better for fertility if you only take HCG Chlomid and etc and remove the trt? I just today started TRT because my testosterone and estradiol are very low and I assume my adrenals have something to do with this. With a previous healthy life-style (I am 72, male), over this same time period (18mos), I have developed a few unexplained health problems. I wo @duddy I have cut salt out of my diet occasionally since the random high blood pressure situations. He says my heart is healthy from exercise test,EKG’s, holster monitoring, and ultrasound of valves. Where as on the clomid I felt great. If I am missing a key point please tell me, but I feel it’s uneeded. Sperm morphology and motility were consistently normal in all men during hCG plus T administration. Stopping TRT After 4 Months to Have a Baby. after reading notes from others on this group, I started applying it. Congratulations. Learn about our editorial process. Sign in to follow this . If you're on TRT, you need TRT - so, again, confused why someone would "stop" after 6 months. @blshaw thanks for responding. I also lift weights and do some cardio 4-5 days a week. for me it was sodium (sea salt) that made the biggest impact on my adrenals from nutrition. So for me, I just tested, as that seemed to be the only way to be sure. They are administered by injection deep into the gluteal muscle. So I tried stopping TRT (four years on the pumps),within four months, mood swings like menopause: snarly with co workers (not good in nursing), grumpy with everyone, switch from jovial to downcast in an instant (I’m male). Thank you for the great advice, I will utilize sea salt and iodine salt to boost adrenals. But I’m not too sure of these methods. Im on trt for 4 months its feel gud but now we want a another baby im 32yr old so my Q is how to start my PCT i inject my last injection today One month after last gel application testosterone = 375, I will test tomorrow and post once results come in. Medically reviewed by Sanja Jelic, MD on January 19, 2020. It took 2 months to get a normal count after being on aroung 1 1/2 years. best of luck to you and thanks for the congrats. Terry Martin. With the addition of hCG to T, sperm concentrations increased significantly in all four subjects, reaching a mean of 24 ± 4 × 106 spermatozoa/ml after 12 weeks of hCG plus T administration. After 3 Injections of Prolia (during an eighteen month period, starting March, 2017), I think I have finally put 2&2 together! I will also ask Endo to test cortisol and DHEA but won’t see him for 6 weeks. This has proven a very effective protocol for some patients, but of course every patient is different and therefore treatments are individualized as needed. Coming off TRT after 3 months advice (PCT?) What was your TRT regimen and supporting meds? Sometimes you got to tweak that stuff w/ TRT to get in the zone. If you just stop TRT immediately, you are left with nearly zero testosterone in your body, and at this point, everything goes south. To determine whether normal FSH levels were necessary to stimulate sperm production after a prolonged period of gonadotropin and testicular suppression, the authors administered hCG to four normal men whose endogenous gonadotropin levels and sperm production were suppressed by prolonged exogenous testosterone (T) administration. I didnt like it, I felt wired, so it was dropped to 100mg a week. 250IU hCG MWF. Find out why. You can see the subtle difference in my facial fat and structure after 6 months on TRT. Urinary FSH excretion was in the normal adult range during the control period (238 ± 29 mIU/h). HMG doesn’t scare me any. By this time, I had been on the juice for nearly 10 months. My doc assumed adrenal insufficiency and ONLY tested plasma ACTH, no Cortisol or DHEA. Followers 0. I assured my wife the rhythm method would work fine and I was likely not very fertile anyway……………………. One interesting thing, I’ve had Asthma my whole life and when I got on TRT my Asthma just about went away completely. Mood Changes . After 3-4 months, the hair fall process will continue. March 29, 2019, 1:33pm #1. meditate - do a 10 minute guided meditation in the morning to reduce stress. You could also try a bit of clomid without stopping to see if that helps. It is interesting what works/doesn’t for different people. Going through loads of mints and food!! zainsharif. Health Benefits to Expect in the First 3 Months After Quitting Smoking By. The Matrix Well-known member. Stopping TRT After 4 Months to Have a Baby. idk about other people - it could be different. How To Stop Hair Fall After Quitting Minoxidil. After that you'll be tested once a year. Posts: 18 Joined: Dec 2012 Mar 03, 2013 - 2:03 am. I can give you my top tips from tons of research to help. If that’s not feasible then try low dose clomid with your trt and get a sperm test. Recent research has supported this position. Hey man, I have adrenal insufficiency ie low cortisol, DHEA, epinephrine, norepinephrine. also download f.lux for your computer if you have to work on it at night.). I believe my adrenals were and still are whacked out. facebook; twitter; Terry Martin quit smoking after 26 years and is now an advocate for those seeking freedom from nicotine addiction. The hope is that a man will take advantage of the increased drive, energy, motivation, vitality, and healthfulness that he is feeling to make some beneficial changes in his life that can help improve overall testosterone production. Normal levels of FSH are not an absolute requirement for reinitiation of sperm production in gonadotropin‐suppressed men. TRT Week #6: Stopping TRT (Temporarily) A few months ago, I was able to achieve similar testosterone levels (800-900) with Clomid alone. I had consulted with two other doctors who told me that once you get on TRT daily gel, you never come off. Nothing els no hcg or clomid. However, in the first few months I was overdosing a bit, not too much though. Below is an example of just one protocol, since there really is no "one way" to do it. Memory and thought processing speed may both suffer after stopping testosterone shots. But most worrisome is low BLOOD PRESSURE 90/55 sitting and I get lightheaded when standing up sometimes see black and get dizzy. After a 3‐month control period, all subjects received 200 mg of T enanthate intramuscularly (im) each week to suppress LH and FSH for a total of 9 months and until successive sperm concentrations (performed twice monthly) revealed azoospermia or severe oligozoospermia (mean sperm concentration < 3 × 106 spermatozoa/ml) for 6 months. My question is this: If I take Oxandrin for four months, then stop… FSH excretion was markedly suppressed to the ranges found in prepubertal children and adults with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism during the periods of prolonged T suppression (44 ± 15 mIU/h) and hCG plus T (38 ± 6 mIU/h) administration. Lower cypionate a little and use HCG to take over that loss. Exogenous T administration resulted in severe suppression of sperm concentrations from 79 ± 7 × 106 spermatozoa/ml (mean ± SEM) during the control period to 0.8 ± 0.5 × 106/ml after 12 weeks of T treatment. nsd_user663_5143 • • 4 Replies. I drink this cocktail 3 times per day: first thing in the morning (honestly if you put sea salt in water and drink it it will do amazing things for your adrenals), at 10am and at 2pm. I am taking oxandrin and have read your article stating that a background therapy of Testosterone should be used also. I also just started on anastrozole last month to bring my estrogen down. This means that all the benefits you enjoyed with TRT revert. This put my level at around 800-900. I inject 50mg E3D testoviron depot It's time for follow up labs. I had to come off. After 5 weeks on TRT, I feel higher energy, am noticing weights going up in the gym – but at the same time I have also drastically cut down workout frequency, volume and eaten at a solid calorie surplus. Your doctor will measure your testosterone levels at the 3- and 6-month marks after treatment begins. 1st year TRT was great, 2nd year was full of symptoms. Researchers found that healthy men who received TRT did not have a higher risk of heart attack, stroke, or death.Furthermore, a study in the August 2015 Mayo Clinic Proceedings showed no link between TRT and blood clots in veins among 30,000 men. HCG will mimic LH whether or not you’re using testosterone but you won’t have fsh unless you stop the test. PCT? Yea, I ran some clomid right when I decided to stop. Testosterone rise rate after stopping HT (Firmagon) dw055. Craving after stopping champix at 3 months. So yes add HCG and FSH. Squatting to standing feel like passing out briefly. Long-acting testosterone injections provide testosterone replacement for 10–14 weeks. Cant find anything on this here or on the web. And that return would be not to an improved level, but merely to their marginal, pretreatment level, at best. If you stop TRT abruptly, you’re left with virtually no testosterone in your system, at which point things go south fast. I have some thoughts on why I experienced my sides…2nd child born, masters degree, leadership roles at work…STRESS. If you have all the time in the world, then you can stay on trt, while you llook into hmg, which is a lh and fsh analog. I don’t know, 5000 is a lot, but plenty have been able to conceive on TRT with 250IU 3x/wk hCG. That was a consideration for me at the time but now it’s not. I had 550 test with 65 shbg pre-trt, so that was a short term option. I was always advised not to go that high on HCG due to long-term desensitization. God morning. Clomid raises both and hcg is a lh analog, which is another way of saying the body reads it as lh and it stimulates the lh processes. Anyone know how long it takes for Testosterone level to go back up. highpull March 29, 2019, 2:28am #2. Hopefully this baby thing will work and then I can go right back to cruising. Get your sleep. I stopped using Champix a week ago after completing 3 month course and the cravings started again. I liked this much better. It was only a bandaid effect to deeper issues. get a lot of sea salt in your diet - google the adrenal cocktail. PCT. Medically reviewed by. As long as you are on any synthetic test you won’t have much of a lh or fsh signal, which is what leads to sperm production. I have come a long way from when I had the most problems with my adrenals and feel decently good lately. Combined with abruptly stopping asthma meds after 10 years (inhaled corticosteroid) while continuing to take TRT for a year after stopping Beclomethasone (corticosteroid). Still determined not to start smoking again but am finding these cravings are wearing me down. I had temporary ADT during IMRT Radiation, 3 months. After doing some extensive research I found that me working graveyard could have a great deal to do with my hormones getting out of whack. https://doi.org/10.1002/j.1939-4640.1985.tb00829.x. The authors conclude that sperm production can be reinitiated by hCG after prolonged gonadotropin and testicular suppression, despite markedly suppressed FSH levels. Thanks again dude! I was at peak from 18-40. Even if recovery after cessation of TRT is eventually achieved, how many men would ever agree to begin a trial in the first place if made aware that they might have to suffer through 6 to 18 months or more of significantly worse symptoms, before endogenous testicular function returns? You are for sure in adrenal insufficiency. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. I was applying Androgel to my belly and spreading it really thin, but. By dhwo, November 29, 2017 in Testosterone Replacement Therapy. I believe this went on for about 2+ years and then I just stopped the Anastrozole and Test. We conceived both of our children when I was towards the tail end of a couple of the largest and longest AAS cycles (no hCG) I ever did. I had nothing at 250/week and nothing at 500 3 times a week but coming off did work for me. I have been on TRT about 4 months, but my levels never got above 170, this was with doing 2.5 MG of Androgel for 1 month then to 5GM for 2. months and then 10 MG for the lat month. Clomid, right? Has anyone stopped this drug and had any withdrawal symptoms? After one month I have been in more hell than I have ever been before. (Arimidex). Got it and I forgot about that. If that doesn’t work, then you’ll need to come off testosterone completely. We need a full work up to know what’s happening, not just t levels. No Arimidex ever while on TRT, only in my AAS days. First off, I'm a 27 year old male, 280 lbs. Urologist said they don’t deal with E2. Jun 29, 2012 #4 Some guys are on on TRT with no business being on it in the first place. Get your cortisol tested. Get the TRT pre-bloods and post them otherwise we can’t help. don’t exercise to exhaustion - this one sucks. that’s roughly the algorithm I went through. I also read studies similar to what’s above. CT scan of head is negative, carotid ultrasound clear, leg ultrasounds good, cardiologist says my bradycardia is normal 40 or sometimes lower during sleep, 40-50 day resting. I was in a similar boat and the wife is 2 months pregnant now (fingers crossed). @mr.inquisitive that is awesome news congrats. A general feeling of well-being that comes with testosterone injections, according to the National Institutes of Health, will also decrease or be lost once they are stopped, says Mayo clinic staff 1 2. I’ve heard of some trying hcg alone for trt but I would get a sperm test to clarify what’s happening. I suspect the compounded decrease in corticosteroids and high stress is what’s giving your troubles. After three months you are good for a baseline blood test. After about 3 months of on and off searching on the web, I found your website. to my very upper arms and shoulders and in a much thicker amount in. Had to go back on and do an 18 mth taper, coupled with exercise. Clomid could help a restart. Interesting find highpull. After 40, all kinds of screws came loose. At least it happened for you. it’s a way to get in sodium, potassium and vitamin C which are all needed for adrenal health. I used to use my rescue inhaler almost daily. True, your hypogonadal axis usually normalizes in a few weeks to a few months, but it may never normalize if you go cold turkey. T Replacement. I’m not sure of this, but hcg alone might be able to shut you down, and lower fsh, even while mimicking lh, and this may affect your sperm count. Monday, July 23rd, after consulting with Dr. Loprinzi, we decided to have me stop taking anastrozole. TRT also has been linked to modest increases in bone density, muscle tone and grip strength. Doctor want them done 3 days after last injection of testosterone. 3 months off: lose 25–30 percent of VO 2 max Also, you lose conditioning in your muscles, tendons, ligaments, and connective tissues. I’ve heard doctors mention that over 40, the low dose hcg won’t do much for you anyways, as the testicular cells have atrophied. but you need to help your adrenals recover and they won’t if you keep pushing them because you are always fatigued and trying to recover from hard work outs. Only a sperm test can truly tell. Since stopping TRT 3 1/2 months ago, hypoglycemia still happens (CT ruled out insulinoma, Endo says reactive hypo). I was using more like 500 iu 3 times a week and the study uses 5,000 iu 3 times a week. The DUTCH test is very good, or do any saliva cortisol 4 point test. So the one-liner, if you were using Minoxidil to treat hair fall after having a nutritional deficiency or treatment of any other disease, you will not have any hair fall after stopping use, but if you were having pattern baldness, hair fall will restart after quitting Minoxidil. The last 3 months on TRT included hypoglycemia (49, 50, 55 BG readings) after exercise, insomnia, chest pains, neuropathy, anxiety, indigestion. HCG probably didn’t work for me because my dose was too low then. Long-acting injections of testosterone (e.g. If you are using TRT under a knowledgeable and experienced hormone therapy doctor’s supervision, many of the undesirable associated effects of both using and stopping your treatment can be minimized or even avoided altogether. So the sentence in bold is important but the one right after it is too. I was using more like 500 iu 3 times a week and the study uses 5,000 iu 3 times a week. It probably helped although I don’t know what would have happened without it. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, stop stairing at bright screens and turn off all electronics when the sun sets (sounds hippie but it makes a big difference. You need fsh AND lh, and hcg is only a lh analog with no fsh. Awards 1. I know how you feel. After 10 years of mild-moderate cycles, 2 years clomid therapy, and 2 years TRT, my natural levels are just under 400 off TRT for last few months. I tried hcg but got nothing. That’s not even half the story. Im on trt for 4 months its feel gud but now we want a another baby im 32yr old so my Q is how to start my PCT i inject my last injection today I inject 50mg E3D testoviron depot Nothing els no hcg or clomid. I don’t know what the minimum is to father a child but I don’t really see why you wouldn’t try and get fsh signaling too, since that’s an options nowadays. Admittedly not as severe but enough to disrupt the day. Since stopping TRT 3 1/2 months ago, hypoglycemia still happens (CT ruled out insulinoma, Endo says reactive hypo). My first 3 months on TRT have been good in many ways. Anyone experience low BP, circulatory issues, lightheadedness, after stopping TRT? The precise hormonal milieu required for quantitatively normal spermatogenesis in man is unclear. Throughout the entire 9 months of prolonged exogenous T administration alone and 6 months of hCG plus T treatment, serum FSH was reduced to undetectable levels (< 25 ng/ml). Terry Martin. After a few months my level was tested at around 1800. From the study above, 5,000 only brought up sperm counts to an average of 24, when the pre-trt average was 80. If you decide to stop using testosterone for some reason, work with your doctor to ensure you’re doing it effectively and safely. I'm only taking .25 mg every 3.5 days (24 hours after my shot). Then, while continuing the same dosage of T enanthate, all four men simultaneously received 5000 IU of hCG im three times weekly for 6 months, replacing LH‐like activity and leaving FSH activity suppressed. It took 2 months to get a normal count after being on aroung 1 1/2 years. Felt no real difference in mood or libido so I took myself off trt after 3 months. They used much higher doses than I ever did. But most worrisome is low BLOOD PRESSURE 90/55 sitting and I get lightheaded when standing up sometimes see black and …